How to Hang a Large Free-Form Piece

by Randi
(Raleigh, NC)

Final pieces shown as would be mounted to trellis - Randi Jean Veiberg (c) 2008

Final pieces shown as would be mounted to trellis - Randi Jean Veiberg (c) 2008

This piece has offered me many hours of solitude of focus in a time when my folks were declining. I have found a buyer who wants this hanging from her garden window, inside. The pieces together are nearly 5' tall (the point where the tail and body meet are where the two pieces are separate). I had the idea initially to mount it (with twist-tie type connectors) to a copper trellis I made for it but the client does not want it mounted. So, I'm guessing hanging from chains will be the optimum, but how goofy will that look? I could center it within a 'holding' piece -so the chain is just above the piece and not alllllll the way from the tail... what are your first thoughts on how to install this?


Answer

That is a beautiful piece Randi. You must be so proud of it.

I think you should explain to the client that it needs some sort of reinforcement, either the trellis, or surround it with clear glass.

If you solder the two pieces together and try to hang it as a free-form, you would have to reinforce it by soldering at least an 18 gauge if not larger copper wire around the entire piece to give it some strength. Otherwise the tail will pull loose in a very short time.

Another thought, could you glue it to the window instead of having it hang. We once did a piece for the entrance of an elementary school. To insure that the kids wouldn't be "swinging from the panel", we silicone glued it to the glass. The silicone did not show and the panel was very secure.

I know I haven't touched on the actual hanging of the piece, but I think you have to decide how to reinforce it first.

I'm going to give this some more thought, and I hope that people reading this will chime in with their thoughts also.

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How To Install a Panel Over An Existing Window

by Gary
(Jasonville, Indiana USA)

I read in your tutorial you can not only install a window to replace an existing window, but you also said you could attach it over a window. I just wondered how you went about this procedure? Perhaps I missed that in the reading and it's me, and if so, I apologize.
Thank you for this site though, it really makes me want to try lead now. You've inspired me!

Answer
When a stained glass panel is installed over an existing window you have to take into consideration heat and moisture build up between the 2 pieces.

You must leave an air space, of at least 1/2 inch, between the stained glass and the window glass. The stained glass panel should be built about 1 inch shorter than the opening. The exact measurement will depend on the size of the beading you will be using to hold the panel in place. You will see why farther down in this explaination.

When you install the panel, place some shims under it so that it is lifted up, leaving the same amount of space above the panel as below. You are doing this to create air circulation between the existing window and the stained glass.

Drill several holes through the beading that will hold the top and bottom in place. Make sure the holes are below the bottom and above the top of the stained glass panel. Those holes will allow air flow between the 2 pieces of glass which, in turn, will prevent heat and moisture build up.

Of course, the other way you can put a panel over an existing window is to hang it in front of the window. That would eliminate the installation process and would be much easier to do. The panel could be close to the size of the opening, but by hanging it, you would get away from the heat and moisture problem.

Sue


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Hanging my project with wire or chain.

by Jim Aerni
(Anaheim)

While perusing the section on edge beading, I notice you mention using "tiger tail" wire to hang smaller projects. What is this wire and how is it attached to the wire rings? Thanks Sue.
Jim / Anaheim

Answer

Tiger Tail is available in the jewelery supply section of craft stores like Michaela, AC Moore or Hobby Lobby. You use crimp beads to hold it in place. The wire is very flexible and easy to work with. You will find it under different brand names. The one I use is Beadalon. It's a flexible nylon coated braided stainless steel wire.

I put a crimp bead on the wire and hold it so it doesn't slip down while I loop the end of the Tiger Tail through the wire ring.

Once the Tiger Tail is through the ring, I slip the end of it back up through the crimp bead. The final step is to squeeze the bead closed with pliers or buy a set of tools specific for jewelery making. The tools are inexpensive and you get wire cutters and a tool for squeezing crimp beads closed.

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Exposing a Tiffany window to the elements....

by Ekaterina
(Ft Bragg NC)

Hi, I am about to create 3 windows for a church. Two 3'x1.5' arches and one 6'X3' arch. Now the client does not want to install a plain glass on the outside to protect the stained glass from weather, and since the windows are going to be made with copper foil, it has me concerned. Can anyone tell me if it is even OK to expose Tiffany style windows to the elements? I am planning to put some restrip into them, but since there will not be absolutely ANY protection for my poor windows, should I also rebar???? I hate rebar, and want to avoid it at all costs, but I do not want to make my windows flimsy!!! ARGH! Someone tell me what to do, please!!!!

Answer

I wouldn't be at all concerned about weather other than hail storms and tornadoes. There are hundreds of church windows that are exposed to the weather. However, once they need repair or restoration, they almost always end up with a protective glass or lexan (a polycarbonate resin thermoplastic) in front of them. Not so much to protect them from the weather, but to protect them from all other sorts of "accidents"

We have repaired many church windows that haven't been protected. Unprotected church windows seem to have a lot of appeal to kids with bee bee guns, rocks get thrown against them from lawn mowers, they get hail damage, plus all other sorts of mishaps. I would tell the church council that it is imperative to have the windows protected.

Why are you so against re-bars or re-rods? They will hold the windows up and in place and prevent them from sagging over the years.

Don't think of them as your poor windows. They will belong to the church and you need to do your absolute possible best to make them so they last for many years. Restrip will help to keep them from bending as long as you use it correctly. However, there are times that restrip isn't enough. Those windows are a prime example of needing re-bars or re-rods as well as re-strip.

If you aren't sure about how to use re-strip or how to install re-rods or re-bars, you can find that information in my ebook. You can learn more about it Here

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Little window

by Lori Shumey
(Castlegar, BC)

I am making a small 6 1/2x11" window for my daughter. It is going to be put into a very old door that has 9 little windows. She wants the centre in stained glass. She is going to leave the original glass in the centre and will just set this new one over the old so that when they move they will be able to take it with them. What would be the best way to do this.
I thank you... Lori Ann

Answer

The best way would be to remove the original glass and replace it with the stained glass. Store the original glass in a safe place. It can then be put back when your daughter is ready to take the stained glass with her.

If that isn't an option, then use either a wood bead or putty to hold the stained glass in place. Don't use silicone...it's very difficult, almost impossible, to remove glass that has been siliconed in place.

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Attach stained glass piece to glass base

by Becky
(Canton, GA)


I am working on a pattern that calls for use of a glass base (3 1/2" X 5"). How do I attach the top piece (angel with a rainbow-3D) to the glass rectangle?

Answer

If the bottom of the angel is as wide as the base, just foil the perimeter of the base and bead solder it. Stand the angel on the base and solder it wherever it touches the edges of the base.

If the bottom of the angel is smaller than the base, I'd cut the base piece in quarters, foil each piece and solder it back together. Stand the angel on the base and solder it wherever it touches the solder lines.

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Window tilts in - how do I attach a panel?

by Florence
(Dover DE, USA)

Stairway windows

Stairway windows

I would like to make a panel(s) for the high windows in this stairway. The house is in Spain and the windows have a metal casement frame (aluminum I think) The problem is that the windows tilt in to open and they must open as the house does not have a/c. Would clear silicone be strong enough to hold the panel? Should the zinc frame and the window frame be drilled and the panel attached with screws? I haven't started this project yet and I feel that I want to know how to attach the panels before I start this project! Thanks for your suggestions!

Answer
I would attach it with screws like you suggested, but it will also need rebar in several place to make sure the window doesn't start sagging. The rebar would need to be attached on the side the window is tilting.

You don't want to use silicone because it's nearly impossible to get a window out that has been siliconed in. If it ever needed repair you'd be in for a tough job getting the window out.

Does the casement have a slot in it? If it does, you could remove it, take the top piece off, slide the window in the slot and replace the top piece. We do that with aluminum window frames. In Australia we were able to get a lead that was Y shape. The glass went in the V and the "tail" of the Y fit in the slot of the aluminum frame. I don't know if you can get that type of lead, but it might solve your problem (if the casement can be removed).

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Hanging outdoor panels

I just finished making 6 panels for my son-in-law, and each is 15"x45". He plans to hang them outside on his patio, and wants to chain them from rings at the top and the bottom on each panel. I worry that the wind could cause them to "torque" and break the glass, and would prefer he just hang them from the top to allow them to move freely. What is the proper way to hang outdoor panels that have zinc came framing?

Answer

I honestly don't know the proper way to hang outside panels, but I do know hanging freely would not be the way to do it. They would fly around in the wind and break pretty fast.

Your son-in-law's idea is a better one, but I'd put them in wooden frames first. The wooden frames should prevent any torquing.

Perhaps someone reading this has had experience hanging panels outside and can tell us wht they did. If so, the answer will be in the comments section below.

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Installation of my stained glass window

I want to place the foiled, zinc framed window I just finished over an existing window in my bathroom,they're exactly the same size...My main concern is condensation forming between the panels. Any ideas would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanx~Dona

Answer

To avoid condensation you need to leave a space, about 1/4", at both the top and bottom of the stained glass panel to allow for air circulation. The space should be left on any window that is installed over existing glass.

If the panel is exactly the same size as the window you won't be able to get any air circulation.

I don't know what to tell you to do other than what I'd do...take 1/2 inch off either the top or bottom of the window. That will mean taking some of it apart, but that is better than the alternative of having condensation, wet wood in the window frame, and mould.

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Stain glass window installation

My home has transom windows and I would like to make stained glass windows for them. I was advised it would be difficult to remove the window and insert a stained glass one into the frame. If possible I would prefer not to have chains. Is there another way besides hanging them?
Also if hanging is the only option, is one stained glass method recommended over another, ie: leaded or foil?

thank-you, your web site is wonderful!

Answer

You could make the panels 1/8 inch smaller than the glass that is showing in the picture and put the panels aginst the glass, holding them in place with another strip of beading. You could also silicone them in place, although I don't advocate silicone since it is difficult to get the panel out if it ever needs repair.

To answer your second question, you can make a hanging panel using either lead or copper foil.

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How Do I Hang Stained Glass With Zinc Border ?

by Sharon
(Calgary)

Drapery Hook Hangers

Drapery Hook Hangers

What is the best product to use to attach to the zinc frame of a stained glass panel so that chain may be attached to it? I am looking for both strength,esthetics and durability. This would be for a panel approximately 23 inches by 32 inches.

Answer

The drapery hook hangers are a suggestion from Carolyn. On her comments page she added the URL to a picture that was too small to see the details.

Hi Sharon,

You've asked asked about something I don't use...zinc. The only time I used it was when I was doing custom work for a local studio and they insisted on zinc framing. So with that in mind, I can only give you one way to hang it.

Put the side piecesOf zinc on so that the open end of the channel remains open at the top. You can miter the bottom (for esthetics).

Make loops out of 14 gauge tinned copper wire. Make the loops so that both ends of the wire form a "tail". Insert the tail in the opening of the zinc and run solder into the opening to create a solid bond between the wire and the zinc. You can now attach chains to the loops.

If you don't want the opening on the top of the zinc, you could miter both ends of the zinc, then drill holes on the top for the wire to go through.

I hope that someone reading this has another way to hang a panel with a zinc border. If they do, they will tell us about it in the comments section below.

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Front side of suncatcher faces where?

which side of the suncatcher faces the window glass.

Answer

The back side of the suncatcher typically faces the window glass, but you can hang it any direction that looks best to you.

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How do I hang sun catchers

How do I hang window sun catchers.

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Solder 1 or 2 jump rings on the edge of the suncatcher at a solder joint. Use 1 jump ring if the suncatcher is small and it will be soldered in a spot to keep the suncatcher hanging straight. Otherwise use 2 jump rings, again soldered at solder joints. You can attach fishing line or my preference is Tiger Tail wire for hanging, or you can use suction cups made for hanging stained glass, and slip the jump rings over the hooks on the suction cups.

For larger suncatchers, I put small nails above the window frame and hang them from the nails.

If you use fish line or tiger tail, secure it well to the jump rings. When I use fish line, I add a dab of E 6000 glue over the knot. With the Tiger Tail, I use crimping beads to hold it secure. Tiger tail and crimping beads can be purchased at any craft store that carries jewelery supplies.

An alternative to fish line or Tiger Tail is chain. You can attach chain to the jump rings. It adds a look of elegance to larger suncatchers.

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